(866) 567-0050

also, they never ackknowledged at any point that the phone call was being recorded.  Later on the 2nd or 3rd call they went back and reviewed the initial call on tape... is this legal?  They also said they would settle for a smaller amount ($2000 of the $2500 I owe).  They also got the amount I owed wrong during the first call...

i got the same calls... they were threatening and very convincing but I was instantly skeptical.  They say I owe $2500... which is actually true.  It is illegal in the USA to FUND AN ONLINE GAMING ACCOUNT... it is not illegal to play.  Since they are committing USA felonies EVERY time they allow you to deposit money into a poker account, how can they possibly think they can collect when the ehcecks go bad?  How can a Ca***ian company sue someone in the USA, when the ground s of the entire situation are ILLEGAL????

Tokwiro was also in the news last week regarding an article published by a radio station in Tennessee that warned area residents of a “scam” being pulled by Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG. Tennessee District Attorney General Mike Bottoms said in a press release that several area residents had filed complaints regarding a “collection agency” type scam. Residents reported they had received letters through the mail from “Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG” stating that they had been contracted to collect debts amassed in the victim’s name. According to Bottoms, the letters indicated that “Ultimate Bet” or “Absolute Poker and Debt Alliance Corporation” had contracted with “Tokwiro” to collect the monies.On Tuesday, Tokwiro responded with a statement saying that it is no longer in a business relationship with Debt Alliance America Corporation or any other debt collection en***ies seeking to make good on claims of monies owed to the CEREUS Network.“Tokwiro is not a part of any current or continuing efforts to collect on funds owed to any online interactive gaming businesses or interests,” said Joseph Norton, prin****l of Tokwiro. “Any claims that such demands for payment came from Tokwiro are wrong. Tokwiro is no longer even involved in the operation of CEREUS. We will take vigorous steps to protect our good name and reputation from false claims.”Stay tuned to Poker News Daily for the latest headlines.Want the latest poker news in your twitter feed? Follow PokerNewsDaily on Twitter...

this article might be of interest to the people here.  skip down to the last 3 paragraphs.  http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/excapsa-blanca- ... -dispute-16996/

these guys are liars don't believe them. they are googling their own phone number and making fake posts on these message boards to scare you. Remember they will do whatever they can to collect since they make a commission. It is also funny they would call you first since most debt collections companies that are legit will send you so****ing in the mail first. Not only are they a fake debt collection company, they are bad at impersonating one as well. Just don't return there phone calls and eventually they will stop calling. O yea if you haven't done it yet sign up to ultimate bet poker or absolute poker goto deposit money in your poker account with a checking account with no money in it and you can play poker with free money. When the check bounces it is okay since online poker is illegal in the US and they can do s**t. O yea make sure when you make the deposit to do it for as much money as the poker site allows. They steal from their customers anyway so its time to fight back.

Wow. Jackson, just wait.  These guys will ruin your life.  LOL.  You are an idiot.

Guys this is VERY VERY simple.  Don't be scared of DAC.  They will not do ANYTHING.  They will NOT sue you, they will NOT report you to the Credit Bureus, they have NO LEVERAGE.  They claim to be a 3rd party collection agency but they are not.  They sit in Kawhanake Tribal land which coincidentally is the same Indian tribe who owns AP and UB.  They do not carry individual liscenses for each state to collect and puruse you. Record the calls.   Do this, contact your states attorney generals and even the Department of Justice.  The FBI wants to know this information.   They are not going to care about your debt, but rather this company is collecting on illegal debts.  Any questions or comments please email me Jackson  [email protected]

So I got a call from a Stephen Davis who says hes a lawyer and I gotta pay this Ultimate Bet debt or the authorities will come to arrest me. He was very thretening and trying to make me nervous and wouldnt even let me speak. Then I thought about this, he's either a fake lawyer trying to scare people into paying or if he really is a lawyer (very unlikeley), what he's doing is illegal (Threating criminal arrest for a debt). Now I wished he'd call a***n. I could ask for his license number and then send a letter to the state atty disciplinary commission. But, then a***n, he's not real. Fake, Just like DAC with their ****** claims to get payment. Come and get me!! LOL!!

So how can you get "sued" in ca***a if you dont live in the country? I'm pretty sure you have to be served papers in ca***a, not get a letter in US that "requires" you tp appear and if not, they win by default.  Kinda seems like a strong-arm debt collection ****od that has no merit. Personally to all the people on here who say DAC's threats are for real, Id like to see one real case from Quebec court with them.  You can easily check online.

hey plo,      what you said for the most part is correct.  it would be more expensive to show up in court to fight them than to just pay.  a class action would be a great way to go, but that takes time, money and lawyers who specialize in class action law suits.  i wouldn't concede that what they're doing is legal, candada just doesn't seem to want to fight with the kahnawake tribe so they turn a blind eye, but from reading online, it seems that the gambling may actually be illegal according to ca***ian laws.  problem is, that you have to appear in court if they sue you to fight back.  you could try to sue them in the state that you reside as they are collecting money in that state and contacting you in that state, so they  may have enough ties to that state for a court to****ert jurisdiction over them.  its a pain in the a** either way, which is why i suggest paying them off to go away.

we all need to get together somehow and discuss this.  i read your post but i still cant even begin to understand how they can get a judgment on us in the united states.  i have a friend of mine who is an attorney working on it.  my email is   [email protected]   it could only benefit us to pass information along as we receive it.  so****ing has to be done about this!

Hello,This morning Oct 22, 2010 at approximately 12:32pm in the afternoon I received 2 missed calls from 866-567-0050.  Two messages were left, the first one was an abrupt **** up and the second was a man who claimed to be a "Ryan Peters" from DAC Investigators Unit who is investigating a case where my name has surfaced.  I immediately called back to speak with "Ryan Peters" but I was transferred to reception and a young woman indicated that Mr. "Ryan Peters" had left for the day.Although I have yet to speak with him on why I am being investigated upon, I have a feeling that it will be the same reason as most of you, I am looking forward to discovering the sum of money that I owe (haha).  I would like to get in contact with all of you regarding this organization "DAC" and discussing the possibility fighting back.  I believe many have been to afraid or simply just didn't understand what was happening so they paid "DAC".  However, I do not intend on giving in.  If you would like to join me, please respond back.Thank you.

I wanted to file a class action law suit a***nst these clowns about a month ago.  I "owed" $720.00.  I spoke with an investigator as well named Ryan Peters.  When I spoke with my lawyer, he said that it would be very difficult to file a claim a***nst DAC.  This company is located in Khanawake, Quebec - a native reserve - and it seems that they have their own rules and laws there.  DAC is owned and operated by a Mohawk gentleman whose name I am still trying to find out. The business is registered as a "Mohawk Sole Proprietorship".My lawyer also looked into past law suits that these guys have been involved in.  They have always been the plaintiff - never the defendant - which means they have actually sued people over online gambling issues.  I couldnt understand how this was possible since online gaming is illegal in the US.  The explanation that was provided to me was this:The UIGEA (Unlawful Internet Gaming Enforcement Act) of 2006, claims that the "illegal activity" is the processing of fiscal transaction for any online gaming endeavors. It is not illegal to play poker online.  Furthermore, all of the servers for UB.com are located in Kahnawake, QC -- ironically the same place that DAC is located.  Because the servers are located in Kahnawake, it can be argued that the debt was incurred in Kahnawake.  Online gaming is a legally regulated activity (regulated by the Khanawake Gaming Commission - look at UB.com) and so the debt is 100% legal in Kahnawake.  The Quebec courts regulate native affairs in this part of Ca***a, and apply native laws when rendering judgements.There have been 118 actions filed by DAC in Quebec courts a***nst people like us.  They have won 57 of their claims, there are 59 claims pending, and they have lost two cases.  Staggering stats if you ask me!  I tried to find out how many of these claims were actually argued in court vs. how many were won by default because the defendant didn't show up.  I can't seem to come accross those stats.Even worse is that a large number of US states accept Quebec judgements and afford reciprocity, which means in most states they can come after you LEGALLY.I would love to go after these a**holes, but I can't figure out any way how - and neither can my attorney. I don't want to get into any trouble.  I'm "all-in" for a class action though - so long as we have a  claim.  Has anyone else spoke to their attorneys?  Curious to hear any feedback!Thanks.

so this collection agnecy is fake or a "fraud" themselves?

hey sara,   i have a very similar story to yours i spoke to mark stern yes****ay as well.  the dollar amount is a bit smaller $1200 but i was harrassed in the same manner as you.  the funny thing is that several months after ultimate bet claimed that i had owed them the $1200, they had sent me an email indicating that the transaction had been reversed and that my account was in good standing. a couple of weeks ago i sent ultimate bet and email indicating that i had a gambling problem and that i wanted my account to be closed permenantly.  they obliged and shut down the account.  yes****ay however i got the call from mr. stern and i'm very frustrated to say the least.  they obviously reopened my account because i was a very loyal customer and the minute they learned i won't be playing on the site anymore they put mr. stern on the case.  i have all the email records and the voicemail left by the so called "fraud investigator".  i'm guessing this is happening to a lot of people who are being victimized by this scam artist.  i was wondering if you were interested in filing a class action law suit with me a***nst these criminals? please let me know, tx

LOL!  i received a call from mark stern yes****ay as well claiming to be a fraud investigator for DAC. initially he left me a voicemail implying that i was in serious trouble (LOL!).  naturally i called back to see what was going on and i guess fraud investigator is a fancy term for debt collector.  he claimed that i owed $1200 to ultimate bet.  he threatened to ruin my credit and send this matter to his legal department if i didn't attempt to settle the debt (LOL!)  i'm guessing legal department is a fancy word for janitor.

Sara thanks for your post.  They called me today saying that I owed them 350 lol

I have gotten phone calls from this number and I finally returned the phone call this morning.  I spoke with a Mark Stern in the beginning of the conversation and he told me he was trying to collect a debt for Ultimate Bet Poker for close to $5,000.  I couldn't get a word in edgewise with this so called "FRAUD INVESTIGATOR", but later in the conversation he said the debt was for Absolute Poker and when I called him on this he said he never said Ultimate Bet and transferred me to his so called "ATTORNEY", Stephen Davis.  Well Stephen told me the debt was for Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker, 2 online poker sites that I have never had an account with or played with.  When I asked for the license number of this attorney who claims he is licensed to practice out of the state of New York he gave me a "FRAUDULENT" number.  I called back to get some more information and not to my surprise, I was not able to get any information out of this "PHONY" other than I need to have my attorney contact him!!!  I have reported this so called "ATTORNEY" to the Attorney General in the state of New York and they are going to open up an investigation.  I was told they were going to prosecute me for this money owed and I told them to go right on ahead.  But if they think I am paying out-of-pocket money to go all the way to Ca***a for their "REINDEER" games they are out of their mind.  They said "great, we win by default", lol!!!  If they honestly think they can collect money from someone from the US for Poker Sites out of the US they are WRONG!!!!  If I have never gotten any money from these Poker Sites, than how they come up with I owe them money ****s me away!  I am not worried in the least bit about these people, and they can proceed however they wish, it is no concern to or of mine.

This is a debt collection firm.

Any ideas who this might be?